Native Warriors Claim Responsibility for Taking Olympic Flag

Native Warriors Claim Responsibility for taking Olympic Flag
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March 7th, 2007

Coast Salish Territory [Vancouver, Canada]

In the early morning hours of Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, we removed the Olympic Flag from its flag-pole at Vancouver City Hall. We pried open the access panel on the pole with a crowbar, using a bolt-cutter, cut the metal cable/halyard inside, causing the flag to fall to the ground.

We claim this action in honor of Harriet Nahanee, our elder-warrior, who was given a death sentence by the BC courts for her courageous stand in defending Mother Earth.

We stand in solidarity with those fighting against th destruction caused by the 2010 Winter Olympic Games.

No Olympics on Stolen Land!

Native Warrior Society

You Did Good

What a beautiful, brilliant action!

Heather
"To use our hands as weapons of mass creation and to walk the path to restoration and renewal."
~ Jules Dervaes ~

The assimilation of the indigenous people

I think that the most right thing that indigenous people can do, is to be assimilated (if, certainly, such an action is permitted, and why not?)in the Canadian nation and to struggle not for the stolen land (in order to be landowners in a primitive communist society in which their ancestors lived)but unite with the movement of the working class of Canada to struggle for a modern days communism with socialized means of production upon the base that capitalism has created, which (base)gives a super abundance of goods.

why should indigenous nations join us?

the most memorable moment at a meeting of "rebuilding the left" a few years back was when an indigenous speaker was asked how we (settlers) could get them (first nations) to join us our struggle. his reply was something to the effect of "looking around at what i see today, why would we want to do that?"

part of his point was, there is no currently effective organized struggle towards communism, socialism etc that would be worth joining. and even if there was, why would the settlers expect that these nations should submit themselves to further subordination in the hopes that paternalistic settlers should help organize them, eventually liberating them?

it would be the equivalent of asking black slaves in the 1800's to give up the fight against slavery in order to support a white-lead move towards communism, which if successful would liberate them in the process.

if anything, we settlers should be finding ways to support the nations in their efforts to reclaim their land knowing that many nations have learned many lessons watching how badly we have managed the land, the resources and society.

An answer to Ron Collins

Firstly, I have a remark to make, that, speaking for indigenous peoples, it is not correct to use the term «nation», but «tribe» or (more inaccurate) «people». The term «nation» (and its substance, too) was created only by the bourgeois revolutions. The nations are a genuine product of the bourgeois society.
Secondly, it is wrong for us to speak to them as «settlers» to «indigenous». The right position is to speak as proletarians to proletarians and to call them in a common struggle for socialism and communism. If there is not an «organized struggle towards communism», our task (together with our indigenous «class brothers»)is to create and organize it, and make it «effective». Our task cannot be to «liberate» the indigenous (from what yoke?). It goes without saying, that, if there are political or social discrimination at the expense of the indigenous people, this is to be condemned and we are obliged to struggle for equal rights for all. But, I think this is not the case in Canada. Our task is, therfore, to help the indigenous peoples undestand that there is not other way for the «liberation» (of all the proletariat) except for the way of the socialist revolution, and help them, too, organize together with us, the trade unions and the political party for our common struggle for socialism and communism.
As for the «black slaves in the 1800’s» : it was absolutely impossible for the black slaves to liberate themselves with an uprising, because they were not the vehicle of a new social system that surpassed the american capitalist system. If an uprising of the black people would have been victorious, they would transform the south of the North America into a society of primitive communism (as their former societies in Africa were), or they would create a similar society based on the slavery, too. So, the «liberation» of the black slaves resulted of a civil war between the industrialized North and the slave owners of the South (both white, though in the army of the Union fought liberated blacks, too). Likewise, the uprising of the roman slaves under the leadership of Spartacus was not ruined only by the lances of the roman legions, but (primarily) of the lack of competence to build a new society. So, the only way of the «liberation» of the indigenous people (and I place the word «liberation» in quotation marks, because I do not have the impression that in Canada they are enslaved) is the way of socialist revolution. We cannot speak for «national liberation», in the absence of nations.
To your latest remark : For the support that «we settlers» must give to the indigenous people that reclaim «their land». I have no intention to place myself in the ranks of the «settlers» and think as a settler, or apologize for any crime or theft or atrocity the settlers did. As for the claim of the land, that is the task of the justice to decide. For my opinion, the bare fact that you was born on a land does not make you, automatically, owner of that land. If you are not only born there, but you also cultivate the land, this fact legitimates you as land owner. But if your land is seized by another man that cultivate the land with a modern system of explotation, applying capitalist relatios of production instead of the primitive relations of the predecessor, I am, objectively, for the capitalist relations of production, acknowledging their progressiveness, protesting, at the same time, against the theft, but in no way reclaiming the return of the land to the former owner. Lenin has said that socialism has not the task to rectify historical injustices. So, after the revolution of the October 1917, the new government did not give the ownership of the land to the peasants, but only the use of it (the land became a social good, belonging to the society).
As of the way that the capitalism used the «land and the resources», I think that capitalism is «right» and the primitive society of the indigenous peoples is «wrong», because capitalism is a higher step on the evolution ladder of humanity than the primitive society.

you speak for indigenous peoples?

thus spoke panos193:

"Firstly, I have a remark to make, that, speaking for indigenous peoples..."

you speak for indigenous peoples? all of them? i didn't know they had a spokesperson. cool. now we know who to turn to when we have a task for them in our revolution.

i thought about responding point by point to your post but on reflection, i decided to simply state here that i disagree with pretty much everything you said but don't really want to waste more time on it.

your opening sentence speaks volumes regarding your ideas and anyone reading your thoughts can probably discredit them on their own without my help. i was going to delete it as i find it racist in many ways (is there really "no political or social discrimination" of indigenous people in canada???) and we do have a policy about that but thought that others might wish to have their say.

if you respond with more of the same, it will be deleted along with your account.

A few remarks on my comment and the criticism of it by R Collins

First of all, I have to declare that my mother language is not the english (as it is easily understood because of my awkwardness in using it), so I made a substancial lapse of expression that caused the justified ironic phrases of yours. Apparently, I did not want to mean that I am a spokesperson of the indigenous peoples. I wanted to say that, «when we talk a b o u t the indigenous, it is not correct to use the term nation ... etc». I apologize for the confusion I caused with my poor english.
Secondly, (for the severe accusation of racism), as I am not a citizen of Canada, I ignore the political or social status of the indigenous people. I did not, by no means, support that there i s n o t a race or national discrimination applied against the indigenous. I simply wrote that «I think this is not the case in Canada», that is to say, that I do not believe (in my ignorance of the true situation) that such conditions exist in Canada. In the right-above lines I have written : « It goes without saying, that, if there are political or social discriminations ... this is to be condemned and we are obliged to struggle for equal rights for all».
Regarding my ideas, I have to say that are based on the marxism, the historical materialism in general, and (for the issue in question) specifically on the work of Frederick Engels «The origin of the family, private property and the state».


So you don't want to be considered a racist, but...

You still want to apologize for coming off as racist, but all you really wanted to say was that there is no such thing as an indigenous nation. Well, thanks so much for clearing that up.

You are stuck in the headspace of "Marxism" (Karl Marx once declared that he was "no Marxist", and I understand why...) from over a century ago that thinks that an industrial model that is killing everything in sight in less than two centuries of development is such a good thing, that prior to capitalism and feudalism, there was no such thing as a nation.

There is no point in taking this crap up. You are stuck in 1885. Land bases of thousands of years, egalitarian methods of distribution and economic structures, specific languages not found anywhere else--- gee, that sounds like a nation to me.


An answer to Mac Donald

First, for the use of the word "nation", I quote 3 extracts :

1) Tribes are usually composed of a number of smaller local communities (e.g., bands, villages, or neighborhoods) and may be aggregated into higher-order clusters, called nations.
As an ideal type, the tribe derives its unity not from a territorial identity but from a sense of extended kinship.
(Encyclopaedia Britannica)

2) … In like manner the plan of government of the Grecian tribes, anterior to civilization, involved the same organic series, with the exception of the last member: First, the gens, a body of consanguinei bearing a common gentile name; second, the phratry, an assemblage of gentes, united for social and religious objects; third, the tribe, an assemblage of gentes of the same lineage organized in phratries; and fourth, a nation, an assemblage of tribes who had coalesced in a gentile society upon one common territory, as the four tribes of the Athenians in Attica, and the three Dorian tribes at Sparta. Coalescence was a higher process than confederating. In the latter case the tribes occupied independent territories. (Lewis Henry Morgan, The Ancient Society, Part II, Chapter II. The Iroquois Gens) ...
... The exclusive possession of a dialect and of a territory has led to the application of the term nation to many Indian tribes, notwithstanding the fewness of the people in each. Tribe and nation, however, are not strict equivalents. A nation does not arise, under gentile institutions, until the tribes united under the same government have coalesced into one people, as the four Athenian tribes coalesced in Attica, three Dorian tribes at Sparta, and three Latin and Sabine tribes at Rome. (In the same, Part II, Chapter IV. The Iroquois Tribes).
... A coalescence of tribes into a nation had not occurred in any case in any part of America. (In the same, The Iroquois Tribes).

3) ... 2. BARBARISM
(b.) MIDDLE STAGE. Begins in the Eastern Hemisphere with domestication of animals; in the Western, with the cultivation, by means of irrigation, of plants for food, and with the use of adobe (sun-dried) bricks and stone for building.
We will begin with the Western Hemisphere, as here this stage was never superseded before the European conquest.
b.) MIDDLE STAGE. Begins in the Eastern Hemisphere with domestication of animals; in the Western, with the cultivation, by means of irrigation, of plants for food, and with the use of adobe (sun-dried) bricks and stone for building.
We will begin with the Western Hemisphere, as here this stage was never superseded before the European conquest.
At the time when they were discovered, the Indians at the lower stage of barbarism (comprising all the tribes living east of the Mississippi) were already practicing some horticulture of maize, and possibly also of gourds, melons, and other garden plants, from which they obtained a very considerable part of their food. They lived in wooden houses in villages protected by palisades. The tribes in the northwest, particularly those in the region of the Columbia River, were still at the upper stage of savagery and acquainted neither with pottery nor with any form of horticulture. The so-called Pueblo Indians of New Mexico, however, and the Mexicans, Central Americans, and Peruvians at the time of their conquest were at the middle stage of barbarism. They lived in houses like fortresses, made of adobe brick or of stone, and cultivated maize and other plants, varying according to locality and climate, in artificially irrigated plots of ground, which supplied their main source of food; some animals even had also been domesticated – the turkey and other birds by the Mexicans, the llama by the Peruvians. They could also work metals, but not iron; hence they were still unable to dispense with stone weapons and tools. The Spanish conquest then cut short any further independent development ...
(F. Engels : The origins of the family, private property and the state)

As for what degree my aspect is a marxist one, I can add that Lenin has written : "The nation is the inevitable outcome of the historical evolution, as the expression of social development in the period of the formation and sway of the bourgeois class".

Second, marxism says that capitalism, as all the things and the phenomena in the world, is a mixture of good and bad, which are inseparably tied, a mixture of contradictions, which can only be solved only through proletarian revolution. Capitalism is good because it develops productive forces, creates the working class, concentrates it and socializes the production. Capitalism is bad, because it exploits and oppresses the working people, causing infinite torment and misery for them, and destroys nature and environment. As is apparent, for the bad aspect of capitalism I completely agree with you. Our difference in opinion is that I see the solution in the future, in the overthrowing of the capitalism and the establishment of the proletarian dictatorship as a means toward the abolishment of the social classes and communism (the classless society) and you see the solution in the past, in the destruction of capitalism and in the returning to, I don’t Know (and suppose, you, also, don’t know), which kind of former type of society.
Third, I do not think that the word we use for the social oraganisation of the indigenous peoples («nation» or «tribe») is of capital significance. I made this remark only from the point of view of scientific accuracy. For an additional reason, because I remarked that in english the use of the word «nation» substitutes, in many circumstances, for the word «people». So, in the english translation of the «Origins of the family etc.» we find the word «nation» whereas Engels uses the word «Volk» = people.
Your insistence in the word «nation», perhaps, is due to your opinion that my refusal in using it, is caused by a pejorative attitude of me toward the indigenous people. This is not correct. We, marxists (and not «marxists», the kind that Marx had in view), we feel like brothers with indigenous people, as we do with all poor people and we call them (not as settlers to indigenous, or white people to coloured people, but as proletarians to proletarians) to be assimilated in the capitalist nations, in order to join us in the common struggle for socialism and communism. We, marxists, appreciate and admire the non-state social organisation of the primitive society and we know that the evolution of capitalism, the overthrow of it, will inevitably end in the classless society which will be the revival, in a superior form of the primitive communism, as L.H.Morgan says «It will be a revival, in a higher form, of the liberty, equality and fraternity of the ancient gentes».
And a last citation from the book of Engels to clear, once and for all, the marxist situation about the social organisation of the «first nations» : «And a wonderful constitution it is, this gentile constitution, in all its childlike simplicity! No soldiers, no gendarmes or police, no nobles, kings, regents, prefects, or judges, no prisons, no lawsuits - and everything takes its orderly course. All quarrels and disputes are settled by the whole of the community affected, by the gens or the tribe, or by the gentes among themselves; only as an extreme and exceptional measure is blood revenge threatened-and our capital punishment is nothing but blood revenge in a civilized form, with all the advantages and drawbacks of civilization. Although there were many more matters to be settled in common than today - the household is maintained by a number of families in common, and is communistic, the land belongs to the tribe, only the small gardens are allotted provisionally to the households - yet there is no need for even a trace of our complicated administrative apparatus with all its ramifications. The decisions are taken by those concerned, and in most cases everything has been already settled by the custom of centuries. There cannot be any poor or needy - the communal household and the gens know their responsibilities towards the old, the sick, and those disabled in war. All are equal and free - the women included. There is no place yet for slaves, nor, as a rule, for the subjugation of other tribes. When, about the year 1651, the Iroquois had conquered the Eries and the "Neutral Nation," they offered to accept them into the confederacy on equal terms; it was only after the defeated tribes had refused that they were driven from their territory. And what men and women such a society breeds is proved by the admiration inspired in all white people who have come into contact with unspoiled Indians, by the personal dignity, uprightness, strength of character, and courage of these barbarians.
We have seen examples of this courage quite recently in Africa. The Zulus a few years ago and the Nubians a few months ago -- both of them tribes in which gentile institutions have not yet died out -- did what no European army can do. Armed only with lances and spears, without firearms, under a hail of bullets from the breech-loaders of the English infantry - acknowledged the best in the world at fighting in close order -- they advanced right up to the bayonets and more than once threw the lines into disorder and even broke them, in spite of the enormous inequality of weapons and in spite of the fact that they have no military service and know nothing of drill. Their powers of endurance and performance are shown by the complaint of the English that a Kaffir travels farther and faster in twenty-four hours than a horse. His smallest muscle stands out hard and firm like whipcord, says an English painter.
That is what men and society were before the division into classes. And when we compare their position with that of the overwhelming majority of civilized men today, an enormous gulf separates the present-day proletarian and small peasant from the free member of the old gentile society.
That is the one side. But we must not forget that this organization was doomed. It did not go beyond the tribe. The confederacy of tribes already marks the beginning of its collapse, as will soon be apparent, and was already apparent in the attempts at subjugation by the Iroquois. Outside the tribe was outside the law. Wherever there was not an explicit treaty of peace, tribe was at war with tribe, and wars were waged with the cruelty which distinguishes man from other animals, and which was only mitigated later by self-interest. The gentile constitution in its best days, as we saw it in America, presupposed an extremely undeveloped state of production and therefore an extremely sparse population over a wide area. Man's attitude to nature was therefore one of almost complete subjection to a strange incomprehensible power, as is reflected in his childish religious conceptions. Man was bounded by his tribe, both in relation to strangers from outside the tribe and to himself; the tribe, the gens, and their institutions were sacred and inviolable, a higher power established by nature, to which the individual subjected himself unconditionally in feeling, thought, and action. However impressive the people of this epoch appear to us, they are completely undifferentiated from one another; as Marx says, they are still attached to the navel string of the primitive community. [5] The power of this primitive community had to be broken, and it was broken. But it was broken by influences which from the very start appear as a degradation, a fall from the simple moral greatness of the old gentile society. The lowest interests -- base greed, brutal appetites, sordid avarice, selfish robbery of the common wealth -- inaugurate the new, civilized, class society. It is by the vilest means -- theft, violence, fraud, treason -- that the old classless gentile society is undermined and overthrown. And the new society itself, during all the two and a half thousand years of its existence, has never been anything else but the development of the small minority at the expense of the great exploited and oppressed majority; today it is so more than ever before.
[5] "Those ancient social organisms of production are, as compared with bourgeois society, extremely simple and transparent. But they are founded either on the immature development of man individually, who has not yet severed the umbilical cord that unified him with his fellow men in a primitive tribal community, or upon direct relations of domination and subjection." -- (Karl Marx, Capital Vol. I, p. 51, New York.) Ed.


Whatever

See, when people ask me if I'm a Marxist, I usually say "I'm with Marx on that one". This is probably the post I would point to in order to illustrate that point.

nuff said.

I support the Olympics

and I know it is on our stolen Land, but I don't want to discourage our Native Youths in wanting to be a competing athlete in the games in the future as I had the oppertunity to be when I was 15 years old. I don't like how our land is stolen either.

validating stolen land?

don't you feel that by encouraging native youth to participate in the olympics, that you are endorsing an event whose primary purpose seems be making money for developers and (as you point out) continuing the process of stealing native peoples' traditional territories?

I encourage Native Youths to Participate in Olympics Yes!

Ron, I will think with my thoughts and type this out just for you to read.

I encourage Native Youths to want to strive to participate in the Olympics, Voluteer, make nice friends, train. And what if there are Native Developers making money from the olympics someday? And that money helps pay for a Native Youth Hockey Team to train, what if that money pays for an Ice Rink on the Reserve? You think kids will want to stay home and play video games, maybe smoke that joint some ugly cousin keeps pushing on them, or train to compete in the next Richmond Tournament and win it.

Tax them, Tax every business person on the territory currently and charge them for using stolen land. A percentage of the profits from the Olympics for renting out stolen land without an agreement with the Hereditary person that holds the names Songs and Dances for the land. Litigation can still be developed and created for monies to be collected for the traditional owners of the territory..

Now my father, if he were alive today would have said the Olympics are a good thing. And if his daughter were on the Olympic Hockey team, I think he would support the Olympics, especially if she won a gold medal.
And if this encouraged a Native Youth that is struggling seeing drug use around her not participate in a negative way of life that we know is affecting our Indian Reserves, instead, goes for a run, and everyday keeps running, and asks her band if she can get sponsered to play hockey, and does good on her team, then gets drafted to play on a University team, and have her school paid for her, and she is the next Native Woman on the Olypmic Womans Hockey Team, I think saving one Native Youth life is more important than attacking the Olympics.

Having the Olympics is positive it gives hope to people who have none or little.

Who ever organised this, who may have married into a person with a name, I don't think they came from a Chiefs Family, because our Nations here on the Coast are known for their athleticism, and sport. A perfect example recently our Hero on the Jr. Canadian Hockeyteam the Best Golie, Carey Price, son of Chief Lynda Price of the Ulkatcho First Nation.

Did anybody think of approaching Chief Lynda Price about this, because I think she may qualify in terms of discussing anything to do with sports and defamation to Athletic Organisations like the Olympics in the name of Stolen Indian land. Lynda and Jerry raised a successful athlete that I know will someday play on the Canadian Olympic Hockey Team.

I support athletes and I support the hereditary rights of the land. But I also know that there has got to be a better way of protesting stolen land, and the idea of having masked up faces doing this just looks wrong. You don't want to fight me, you want to fight the life that made you angry right now, and we are all upset about seeing continued profits made off of stolen land, but this is not the way to do it, frustrations need to be let out in a positive way.

Olympics=Destruction

Of course, there is nothing wrong with trying to provide indigenous athletes with better facilities and opportunities. However, those who are opposing the games are not doing so because they dislike sports or don't want young athletes to succeed. We oppose the Olympics because the massive development that it brings leads to the theft of indigenous land, destruction of fragile eco-systems, displacement of communities through gentrification, and homelessness. Previous Olympics have also been marked by attacks on civil liberties, such as the banning of protests while the games are in progress and "street sweeps" so the homeless and mentally ill don't tarnish the host city's image.

Something tells me that if we were talking about anything other than sports, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But here in "Canada", we love our winter sports. The people who benefit most from the Olympics (land developers and speculators, corporations and self-serving politicians) have to find some way to sell their circus, so they appeal to people's nationalism and love of sports. And everybody likes a good party.

What brings the anti-Olympics community together is a concern for social justice, not hatred of sports. We are anti-poverty activists, indigenous sovereigntists, housing activists and ordinary folk who oppose the destruction (of homes, the environment, communities) the Olympics bring.

There will undoubtedly be positive aspects to the 2010 Winter Games but for many of us, the price is just way too high. This is why we resist.

As for the masks, the photo is meant to convey a message of resistance. As these folk have just committed an illegal act, they are wearing masks presumably because they do not wish to be identified and arrested.

So while many young people, indigenous and otherwise, will [unfortunately] be celebrating the Olympics, others, including former athletes, will be out in the streets protesting and organizing. And I will be there with them.

Are any of these people Mohawks?

As a Mohawk, I'm curious if anyone in the picture above is actually Mohawk, been in contact with the or has affiliation with the Mohawk Warrior Society?

I agree. I was glad to hear

I agree. I was glad to hear about this action before I heard who did it and why. Now I like it eve more.

"Our work will be unfinished until not one human being is hungry or
battered, not one single person is forced to die in war, not one innocent languishes imprisoned and no one is persecuted for his or her beliefs."
Leonard Peltier

cool

It's symbolic, but anyone who has a brain might think "I wonder what that's about", and anyone with a life will investigate. Here's hoping they find the real answers why Original Peoples, some of them, are through with stupid public events that just continue the complete lack of respect, and genocide, against said people.

Greetings to the Sisters and Brothers up there, from down here in Mexico, the Otra.

The future of humanity is with those that best understand the truth.

Being "canadian" doesn't mean you have to follow along with the corruption. Determine your future and present. A step forward for humanity is a step forward for you. Being a coward or a cynic will only make your life more miserable. Enjoy yourself, join the fight for worldwide justice.

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